Episode #25: Orgies, Abuse, Foreplay, Breakups and The Cut Vs. Uncut Conundrum With Shawn Jacobson, Host Of The Tough Titties Podcast

INTRODUCTION:

 

Shawn Jacobson is the host of Tough Titties podcast!!! This show is an entertaining comedic lifestyle podcast and is as raw as it gets. She gives it to us straight when it comes to sex, dating, relationships, friendships, mental health and all the good shit in between. Shawn graduated in May 2020 from Syracuse University with a degree in TV, Radio, Film. Unfortunately, because of COVID-19, she was unable to get a job, so she started a passion project, which is her podcast. Shawn’s goal is to break negative stigma around talking about sex and other topics seen as taboo. Tough Titties is available to listen to wherever you get your podcasts!

INCLUDED IN THIS EPISODE (But not limited to):

·      Shawn’s Message To The World About Vaginas

·      Warning Signs Of Abuse

·      Mental Health Struggles From A Young Age

·      The Emotional Toll Of Break Ups

·      Fuckboy Defined

·      Trade Defined

·      Pig/Spit Roasting Defined

·      Dick Size Preferences

·      Let’s Talk Orgies!!!

 

CONNECT WITH SHAWN:

 

Website & Podcast: https://www.podpage.com/tough-titties/

Facebook: https://bit.ly/30yylPW

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thetoughtittiespodcast/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/toughtittiespod

TIK TOK: @shawn_jacobson

YouTube: https://bit.ly/3Fe7ebM

 

SHAWN’S RECOMMENDATIONS:

Safe Horizons: https://bit.ly/3cp3Wpw

 

DE’VANNON’S RECOMMENDATIONS:

·      Pray Away Documentary (NETFLIX)

https://www.netflix.com/title/81040370

TRAILER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_CqGVfxEs

 

TRANSCRIPT:

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You’re listening to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast, where we discuss whatever the fuck we want to. And yes, we can put sex and drugs and Jesus all in the same bed and still be all right. At the end of the day, my name is De’Vannon and I’ll be interviewing guests from every corner of this world. As we dig into topics that are too risqué for the morning show, as we strive to help you understand what’s really going on in your.

There is nothing off the table and we’ve got a lot to talk about. So let’s dive right into this episode.

De’Vannon: Hello. Hello everyone. And welcome to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast. This week. I’m talking with Shawn Jacobson and she’s the host of the tough titties podcast. Yes. I said tough titties podcast. Now her show takes a comedic approach to podcasting and she also gets very raw.

With her subject matter and everything that she likes to talk about. She covers sex, dating relationships, friendships, mental health, and all the good shit in [00:01:00] between.

Now in this episode, we’re going to be covering some of the warning signs of abuse. We’re going to be talking about breakups and in case you don’t know what a fuck boy is, we’re going to break that down for you as well. And, Shawn’s got a special, message to the world about vaginas and Hey, have you never had an orgy before then

you can live vicariously through this episode.

Sean in the house. Y’all look for the sex, drugs and Jesus podcast. And we, we going to be preaching to y’all today about sex. How are

Shawn: you allowed to be here? I’m Jewish.

De’Vannon: I won’t tell no one.

Shawn: Okay. Well, Jesus was a Jew anyway, so it’s okay.

De’Vannon: Hey, you know what God created sex. We didn’t, we didn’t create dicks.

We didn’t great pussies we didn’t assholes or mouths or ears or eyes or navels or any of the holes that we use. That was all his idea.

Shawn: And the clit, he [00:02:00] made the clit, which is literally purely made for pleasure. So I just need to let that out there.

De’Vannon: There’s all kinds of interesting things in the vagina.

What would you like the world to know about the vagina? I was going to ask you that later, but since you,

Shawn: I would like, I would like the world to know, well, okay. This is more like the men world, the male world that likes women look at a diagram and figure out where the clip is because you guys are out here rubbing like the left lip and we’re just like crickets.

And we’re just like, yeah, that’s great. Like figure out where it is pleased for the love of God or ask, I guess it’s better than just, you know, guessing because you guys are horrible guessers and you’re just not good [00:03:00] at it. You’re just not good at it. Also. Another thing I want to say is to the, also the men, I just am going to be mean to the men.

We don’t really like the vaginas in the world. Majority of us don’t really like the like Jack rabbit. So like get a better stroke game. Okay. That’s it,

De’Vannon: when she says Jack rabbit, she is talking about Jack hammer, fast porn star, fucking, you know? Yeah, yeah.

Shawn: Do you like that

De’Vannon: giving it or receiving it?

Either both. It depends on the situation. My dear is if it’s like this one drag queen performance song that they do, and they, and I can’t think of a song that they remade, but the drag queen will be lipstick and on the song will go like it’s true. [00:04:00] Sometimes, you know, a woman needs to be made love to that’s true.

And sometimes she just needs to get fucked and it’s up over there for me, like me and my significant other. Usually it’s pretty fast, you know? I’m a wild bitch and I really, really like it rough, but sometimes I like to slow it down for a variety. And to also to make him to , like, to reverse control him in a way, even though he’s usually has his Dick in me.

So then what I’ll do. While he’s doing it all fast, tell him to stop while he’s still in me. And then I won’t let him move at all for a while. And then I’ll tell him the cadence and the pace, and then I’ll eventually allow him to speed it back up again.

Shawn: Well, I think, I think for women, when they’re, when the guy is going really fast, [00:05:00]like Jack hammering it, doesn’t get into the G spot. If that makes sense. Like when you’re like slow stroking, but going deep, then I think that’s when you really get the pleasure, if that makes sense.

De’Vannon: Right. Because the G-spot is kind of like.

From what I’ve understood is like, if you were to stick a finger in there and do like the come here thing, it’s kind of like in the middle of the vagina canal. So a Dick is going to reach away past that. So, so yeah. So a different technique,

Shawn: if you’re lucky,

have you ever hooked up with a girl?

De’Vannon: Yeah. I’m not a gold star gay. Oh no, no. A gold star gay is a gay was only ever had sex with men probably only ever will have sex with men. And no I’ve had sex with both.

Shawn: Who do you like better?

De’Vannon: Men [00:06:00] because I like the, the domination and then I like come a lot. I’m a come whore.

And so women don’t have to be long stick, which can be inserted into my asshole mouth ear, or whatever the case may be that day. And so, yeah.

Shawn: I’m scared of ass sex. I haven’t made it

De’Vannon: there yet. I believe in you. This is your year

Shawn: 2022. Give me a few months to prepare. Maybe I have to find somebody though that I actually liked.

Like, I’m not going to let some random hookup put anything up my butt hole. I don’t trust them. And guys straight guys are really fucking stupid. Like they just shove it in and I’m like, I feel like there’s a lot we’re missing here. We need to like prep the area we need to use lube maybe as maybe means definitely we need to use loo [00:07:00] both slow.

Like, I don’t know. I’ve just heard so many horror stories from people or girls that have tried anal and their guy just really didn’t know what the fuck they were doing. Maybe I need to have sex, anal sex with a BI man that could work. You

De’Vannon: think about that? We have bisexual. Men are great. They’re wonderful.

I recommend them. Or you could just send them to my house for some remedial lessons before they come over to you. Or

Shawn: I actually read that they are like the best lovers

De’Vannon: probably for us, but you know, it always depends on what you’re looking for. Okay, so, so I’m curious, so your, your podcast is called tough kitties, the tough titties podcasts, which is what we’re highlighting today in the logo is very interesting.

You got different cup sizes of titties with very, got lots of boobies, [00:08:00] right? It’s nice nipples and everything like that. I already showed you mine because I’m a lady.

It’s true, though. What I want to know is why the name tough titties, and I guess the logo speaks for itself, unless there may be something I’m

Shawn: missing. No, there’s no hidden message there. I just wanted a bunch of tickets on my art. So the name I was trying to come up with a good name for a while and.

It kind of just came to me because my mom used to say tough titties to me when I was a kid, like, I’d be a brat or something and she’d be like, well, you don’t get everything. You want tough titties type of thing. And then obviously, you know, when you’re little, you hear that, but you don’t really know what titties are, you know?

So I was in kindergarten and I said it to another [00:09:00] classmate in class. I don’t know. I don’t remember exactly what that person was doing, but I said like, well, tough titties. And my kindergarten teacher had an aneurysm and, and I got in trouble for that. And then I’ve kind of just really loved the phrase ever since then.

And I just think it’s just a good, it’s just good. I don’t know. That’s no deep meaning. I just like it.

De’Vannon: You rebel rouser, you. So, what is the, the goal of your podcast, who is your target audience?

Shawn: The goal of my pod cast is just, you have, you know, an open and honest conversation about sex, dating relationships, you know, sprinkle in some mental health and psychology because those things contribute to a lot of our behavior and [00:10:00] interpersonal relationships and insects.

So I think it’s important to touch on those things too. And so my target audience you know, I don’t care. Anybody can listen. I would like everyone to listen because I think I talk about a lot of stuff that could be helpful for anybody. But the majority of my audience is 23 to 27. Like 50% is in that age range.

And 60%, 65 to 70% is female, 30% male, which I would like more men, more men to listen because they’re the ones that really need to learn.

De’Vannon: I would just like more men in general, honey,

Shawn: me too, because I got slim pickings here. I don’t like anybody

De’Vannon: in Florida. Oh God, you even boys come up there and I mean, everyone’s so beautiful and delicious looking [00:11:00] you think.

Well, what part of Florida are you in? Exactly.

Shawn: I’m in south

De’Vannon: Florida. Well, it depends on what you have a flavor for. So.

Shawn: My thing is just like, there’s such trash. I mean, some of them are cute, but like parents, they just don’t know how to treat a lady. Me.

So yeah. It’s the dating scene down here has not been my friend.

De’Vannon: Well, I invite you to Los Angeles, which is my favorite city. I’ll move back there one day and you can just say I

Shawn: want to go there very badly.

De’Vannon: We’ll be there for Halloween almost like Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday for folks. Shit damn near a week. Yeah. So I’m Gengar this year. Pokemon Pokemoning it Gengar. The pokey. [00:12:00] I believe he is he’s as victims. Okay, mom, he just kind of like,

Shawn: I thought you were going to be something sexy.

De’Vannon: Well, that was last year. I was Fred Flintstone with the no underwear underneath his robe

hoochie dress. Anyway, what about you?

Shawn: I don’t think I did anything for Halloween last year. And then this year I have not thought about it at all. I’m not a big fan of Halloween. I like the camp sale candy on November 1st. That’s it? I don’t like being scared. I don’t trust people. I feel like on Halloween, people go fucking crazy and like shit goes down on Halloween because they think it’s like the purge low key.

And I don’t fuck with that. I don’t fuck with people that were mass. The [00:13:00] medical mass. That’s fine. I don’t care about that. I’m talking about like the purge mass or scary, any mass you get at like spirit Halloween. I can’t, I just let me stay in my house and I’ll eat the candy that I’m supposed to give to children.

De’Vannon: Fair enough. But, and so speaking of mental health issues like he did, I didn’t want to touch on that on one of the shows you were talking about. I want to get your thoughts again on you. You were talking about the warning signs of abuse, which you hadn’t gotten from safe horizon that, or, yeah. And I know that you have your own history of mental health issues too.

So I was curious if any of your history has to do with some sort of abuse.

Shawn: No thankfully, no. Yeah, I did that little disclaimer, just because, you know, the Gabby Pitino case has gotten really big. And it kind of gave me the [00:14:00] opportunity to touch on it. I like to have serious conversations on my show, but a lot of the time it is like funny, you know, and I thought, you know, if anybody who listens to my show needed to hear that, that I should put that out there.

So yeah, for me, no, I have never dealt with any abuse like that, but my sister was with this guy for like 10 years, who was. Physically emotionally, mentally violent. And she finally left him last year during COVID cause he was home way too much and she’s like, okay. Yeah. Like I can’t even put up with this anymore.

And that was kind of the straw that broke the camel’s back. So she’s been out of there for like a year or so. So for me, no, but I have a sister who went through that, [00:15:00] so yeah, I think it is important because I think it’s a lot more prevalent than we think, you know,

De’Vannon: the warning signs from safe horizon that, or I’ll put that in the show notes for sure.

No, the ones that stood out for me was when they try to isolate. The person being abused from friends and family.

Shawn: Yeah. So they have no support system besides the abuser. And that was how my, my husband, my sister’s husband was, he did not like when she visited me and you know, my mom and my other sister, he did not like her doing anything without him.

But he was not allowed at my house. So, you know, that caused a lot of, a lot of stuff. He was just very controlling and it’s just, I think, you know, all these abusers start out small because [00:16:00] if they started out the way that they end up, nobody would be with them. So they start out small. So I think that it’s kind of important just to recognize the small signs before they get too big.

And you know, when to leave.

De’Vannon: Right. And and safe horizon.org has those warning signs. And it was important that you, that you’ve experienced it because from listening to your podcast is like you were saying, it can be hard to tell if a loved one is in an abusive relationship, unless, you know, the signs to look for.

I feel like it took you awhile to realize what was going on with your sister.

Shawn: I knew I didn’t like him from the beginning. Keep in mind, my sister’s 10 years older than I am. So she was with him when I was younger and I didn’t really know what this kind of stuff was. So she did talk to my mom a lot about it and [00:17:00] you know, my mom would always tell her, you know, like you should leave him, but it’s never that easy.

And so. Yeah. When I first met him, I was like, I don’t know. I don’t like him, but I don’t know. Maybe I was just feeling like he was like taking my sister away type of thing. But as I got older, I started hearing more of the things that he was doing. And so I think I didn’t, I didn’t really see it.

I just heard about it because I didn’t get to see her that often because of him. But now that I know the signs and I’m like, he literally checks off every single one, you

De’Vannon: know, she made it out. Yeah. So then what are some of your personal mental health struggles that you have dealt with or, or dealing with?

Shawn: Yeah, so I [00:18:00] think that I’ve had depression probably since I was nine years old. But I wasn’t really sure what it was, you know, because I was like so young and most nine-year-old kids, at least when I was nine years old, did not struggle with that. Or at least I didn’t think so. I just thought I was different.

And so when I was nine, that was like the triggering point was that my dad passed away, like unexpectedly. So that kind of triggered that. And I went to therapy, but I was nine. So I didn’t really know. I didn’t really know what I was supposed to be doing there. You know what I mean? Like I couldn’t process what therapy was.

I didn’t want to be there. I was like, just random man is trying to talk to me about shit. I don’t want to talk about so after a little bit of that, I stopped doing it. I should have [00:19:00] went back when I was in high school. When I started liking boys, because that’s my downfall. And then in college I think I was probably severely depressed, like 75% of my time there.

And my, I got a boyfriend and that brought me out of it, but. I was like, so dependent on him for like all of my happiness. He was like my whole life. I did not have a life outside of him. Which I think is kind of, it kind of happens to a lot of people in their first relationships. I think I’ve seen it in, in some of my friends first relationships, like when we were younger, it’s just like that puppy love , you know, you don’t want to, you don’t want to be away from that person.

And so I was so happy with him whenever I was with him. So we spent literally [00:20:00] every second together pretty much. And so when we broke up, I literally had a mental breakdown, like severely unwell. And so that kind of is what triggered me to be like, okay, I need help. This is not a normal response to a breakup, obviously regularly.

Break up your you’re sad, but you can like still live your life. Like I could not live, like it was horrible. And so that’s when I got back into therapy and that’s kind of what made me start thinking about and start talking about my relationship to men and to sex, because I think it all kind of stems down to losing my dad at a young age, which is kind of fucked up.

De’Vannon: I am sorry that that happened to you. But I am glad that you seem to [00:21:00] be aware that there is a problem that you’re down from it. And I think that that’s where it begins now, healing it and going to come until it’s meant to, you know, I think, I think our task is to recognize our weaknesses and the issues establish a plan and to work with them, to be incredibly patient with ourselves as we stumble and fall along the way.

But God, you know, I could see that, you know, not having that masculine foundation.

Shawn: Yeah. And so this is kind of where the psychology and mental health stuff comes in on my podcast is, you know, a lot of the shit that we struggle with has to. Like it comes from our childhood, whatever we experienced. I talk about attachment theory.

I don’t know if you’re familiar with what your attachment [00:22:00] is, but mine is anxious. So that comes in the form of being clingy as fuck being needy as fuck. And like scared of abandonment. And so if you’re not securely attached and some people think they are, but they’re not if you’re not securely attached it, you have your own struggles that you face in all of your relationships, not just romantic.

So I think it’s very important that we kind of, we got to sadly get, go back into our childhood and figure out where we were fucked up.

De’Vannon: Hey, it is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. I’ve been so, so much of that, you know, my own, this, this, this show here that I have has been very healing.

Shawn: Ronnie, my brother, I feel the same way too. Very healing. It’s like [00:23:00] cathartic. Right.

De’Vannon: And I didn’t expect that, you know, I started this podcast to compliment my memoir.

That’s coming out, but didn’t the process I’m like, just talking to people has just helped me to get past some shit, which is why I love having people like you on, because we’re willing to be transparent because it helps people. I probably say this on every fucking show, but yeah, like it’s just something healing.

About being transparent. Whenever somebody hears about a similar struggle with gives them the strength to go on a little bit further, not advice, not even needing advice, just knowing that somebody else is out there suffering the same ways, so helpful to people.

Shawn: Yeah. And I think a lot of people have struggled in the way that both of us have, but not a lot of people are vocal about it. So someone’s gotta be, and though someone’s or us,

De’Vannon: oh, someone’s arm us with a [00:24:00] capital R so, okay, cool. So let’s switch gears and get into a more fuckery.

So, and I was trying to see the name of that particular show. That’s what I’ve been giving out, trying to put a little bit Dov. It was something like something in origin.

Shawn: Yeah. What is the first word? Oh, my tape sex tapes.

De’Vannon: Six saves the word threesomes. Oh my. And I listened to several of them, but that one stood out to me.

The most, that guy has said,

Shawn: just because you have a crush on him. That’s why I

De’Vannon: have a Bonnie him, but I have to play hard to get, because I already heard his secrets. Yeah. I don’t want him totally not interested.

Shawn: I’m gonna see if he wants to come on the show [00:25:00] for you. You want me to text him right

De’Vannon: now? I do it. I love the fucking with like straight guys and stuff like that. Not necessarily trying to turn them straight, but I like to see how much of my feminine energy they can handle without getting offended. I feel

Shawn: like he would probably like flirt back with you.

I think it’s just American guys. They’re like almost, I don’t know. They’re just like so hyper masculine. Like they, they can’t even. Like play around with it. You know what I mean? I

De’Vannon: just toxically just, just fucking bored with it. I’m

Shawn: saying I have a POS podcast opportunity for you,

De’Vannon: the good way to say it. So in there, you and sexy man there, we’re talking about

Shawn: sexy

De’Vannon: man. Couple of things here, [00:26:00] like you, you described him as a fuck. Boy. He didn’t want to be called a fuck. Boy. He felt like that it was a negative term. So I want to get into some terminology here. So there’s a fuck boy. I want to get your take on what a fuck a boy he is.

And then we’re going to talk about trade, which is a, more of a term in the gay world, but they’re kind of the same

Shawn: trade trade. I’ve never heard that. Okay. So I feel like a fuck boy is a guy who will literally do anything to get in your pants. If that includes making you feel like he likes you, he will do that.

He will lie up and down just to get in your pants. He’ll make you feel like you’re special just to get in your pants. And I think there’s no problem with casual sex. Okay. But I think the problem is when [00:27:00] people aren’t honest about what they want. And then that’s when people’s feelings get hurt. And I don’t like that, you know, is that what a trade is for you?

De’Vannon: Trade. That is a good definition of a fuck boy. And I would just ask you that a foot voice, somebody who has basically fucked everyone in town that’s like a guy version of what some would consider to be a whore or promiscuous woman,

Shawn: nothing wrong with being a whore. There’s something wrong with being a fuck.

Boy. I think it’s

De’Vannon: yes. The line, not the amount of sex, right. Okay. We’ll be on that for sure. And a trade is the same way. So trade in the gay world would be a very masculine guy. Usually in very fucking good shape. We’ll have a girlfriend on the side, but then he’s gonna come around and fuck the dudes on the other side of town.

But she don’t know.

Shawn: Oh, that was spot.

De’Vannon: Trade. So [00:28:00] some people may call him an undercover brother or whatever the case may be. Trade will be fucking trainees and real girls, real fish and men all at the same time. And then, but that’s not necessarily, everyone knows what’s happening. He’s at the center, these, the nucleus of this fuck world that he’s created.

Wow. Wow. So that’s what you call a piece of trade this urban dictionary. If you don’t trust me, I’m gonna put urban dictionary in the

Shawn: show. I have a feeling that you wouldn’t lie to me about that. I’m

De’Vannon: not talking to you, honey. I’m talking to the audience audience. So I’m going to put urban dictionary in the show notes that somebody out there probably hasn’t heard of urban dictionary can really help you understand a lot of shit in this world, urban

Shawn: dictionary, at least once a day.

I never know what the fuck people are talking about,

De’Vannon: right? Like what is a. I [00:29:00] need to know, oh my God.

Shawn: Oh my God. No, I think the most recent thing I looked up was a sneaky link. I’m like what the actual fuck is that I’ve never heard that, but I think that’s like the generation under me uses that it’s

De’Vannon: just like a hookup.

Shawn: It’s just like someone you hook up with, I think

De’Vannon: very covert way of texting and your parents, their parents don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about.

So so speaking of terms and urban dictionary, I looked up pig roasting earlier, which is something that sexy man did when he was like 19 or something like that. And so doing what you care. So on the tail, the audience was pig roasting, as we were talking about orgies now. Okay.

Shawn: I think it’s spit roasting spit RO.

De’Vannon: Changeable terms, but tell me what your understanding is of it. [00:30:00]

Shawn: Okay. I think it’s kind of like an Eiffel tower situation. Where, why are you smiling so big? I think it’s like two guys and then a girl in the middle. She is on all fours, maybe that’s Eiffel tower and maybe spit roast. And she’s on her back. I don’t know the technicalities.

I haven’t done it, but one penis is in her vagina. The other penis is in her mouth and then they just rotate her around like a rotisserie chicken.

De’Vannon: Right. And that’s why it’s called pig roast. In Hawaii or you see that they stick the steak or the rotisserie chicken all the way through the ass in the mouth.

So it’s like, if you have a death in your mouth and a Dick in your ass and you’re in the middle, that it could be a rotisserie chicken or a pig roasting on the motherhood, the [00:31:00] whole thing she’s been skewered. And basically

Shawn: it is an Eiffel tower then.

De’Vannon: Yeah. It can be called that.

Shawn: I think the Eiffel tower is like the guys hold hands.

So it’s like a triangle. Oh

De’Vannon: yeah. In order to balance the balance, the forest,

Shawn: that’s a dream though. I’d love to do that. And my dream threesome. I want to guys, because I will not be sharing any attention with another bitch. I will tell you

De’Vannon: that. Yeah. You pointed that out because, cause in your show you were talking about how they had like a whole five way going on.

It was two guys and the one girl they thought was ugly and the other two, they thought work and she left the gracefully and you were like, okay, that would not be me. I would not bow out gracefully.

Shawn: Oh, are you kidding? Like that is just so mean. They kind of just started leaving her out and I’m like, if that were to ever happen to me, I would lose my mind.

That’s why I [00:32:00] can’t be put in those situations. Oh, wait dog just texted me. He said, what about I might be interested?

De’Vannon: Oh, Honeywell will, we will, we will deal with him after the show picture of my tits, which I flashed you before we came on the air and that’ll seal the

So you’ve never had an orgy report.

Shawn: No, I know shocking. I know I sound like such a whore.

De’Vannon: I

Shawn: know I have not having orgies. I don’t know. Where am I supposed to find these said orgies?

De’Vannon: Well, you can go on app and look for them. Or if you have ever have a significant other, you can look for them together, either out or on an app or. I mean, you’re a girl. You can just go to any fucking club and just look hot and find two guys or show it up together.

And there you go.

Shawn: Yeah. I don’t know. I just feel like [00:33:00] it’s a hard to F I feel like you have to really coordinate a two guy threesome.

De’Vannon: Well, any kind of threesome or two, there were three plus it’s going to take some coordination cause you have different agendas, different energies, different everything.

Well, you know, like y’all were discussing on your show. You know, the guys are concerned about the other Dick sizes of everyone else. And like, like, like, like my new boyfriend said he would prefer that if he’s in a group situation at all the, all the other guys, they are having similar Dick size to him, not, not too much smaller than too much bigger that way.

There’s no like intimidation, because he was like, you know, women, you know, there’s subjectiveness to what classifies a sexy woman, but either you have a 12 inch Dick or you every six inch Dick or a nine inch, one or 14 inch one, there was a clear winner. And so they, so they would [00:34:00] rather similar Dick sizes personally.

I don’t give a fuck about Dick size. I’m happy with

Shawn: average, to be honest with you,

De’Vannon: there’s a point where it’s too much for you.

Shawn: Yeah, I have had sex. This is like my sophomore year in college. But I had sex with this guy who went to my school, but he was from Spain and. He kept saying owl. And I’m like, why are you saying Al?

I’m fine. And he was like, it feels like something is crushing the tip of my Dick. And then I was like, okay, like, let’s just stop. Like, I’m not trying to hurt you. And then I started researching it and I think it was getting like caught in my cervix or something. I don’t know. So average is good for me and yeah, I have a tight [00:35:00] punani so I think that, that I prefer

De’Vannon: like all up in your guts, literally.

Shawn: I don’t know. I felt fine, but he was saying, oh, and I was like, I’ve never had a guy say owl from sex from like putting his penis in me that you use. You’re like, wow, that’s great. Was he like super long? Yeah.

De’Vannon: How many answers are now get honey.

Shawn: I think he said that he was like nine, but I feel like you’re like, Hmm, but you want a whole foot long.

And your ass,

De’Vannon: the longest I have had was about maybe 15 or 16,

Shawn: who is walking around sling in that

De’Vannon: dog. You got them out there, honey. I have had, I even do with that, whatever you can, I’m

Shawn: like, give me a [00:36:00] nice seven inches and I don’t live my life happily.

De’Vannon: I mean the first time I had a date for that long and he was on like a 19 year old and I went over to his mom’s house and picked him up and she greeted me in the driveway.

Sorry, am I I’m a Cougar? Anyway, I’m like 38. My boyfriend is 24. I love him young bitch. And so it is what it is. And so like I’m older and so Hey to shade. And so, and so, yeah, he was, I think like in the 14, 15 inch range and he was one of these profiles on an app that almost looks fake because you’re like, can this Dick really be this long bitch?

It really, really was. And I feel

Shawn: what race was this man? He was black. Have you ever seen a white man with that?

De’Vannon: Yes, when I was a method dealer in Houston, one of the trucks used to hang out at my trap house. He wanted something, but I didn’t know [00:37:00] because he had a wife and kids. And as far as I knew he was straight, it just one day he popped the Dick out on me.

Out of nowhere, I was backing up some drugs at the table and it was same. And of course he was one of those white boys kind of like who acts black, like, you know, like G-Eazy and shit like that. You know, he has that, he got that about him, which I think is very fucking like boys. And and so there was that there was a Latino, when I lived with in Tucson and his shit, he had like imported, double XL, condoms with magnums were too small for him.

And that his shit was way past 12 honey. And

Shawn: so what do you do with a Dick that big, when you’re like not having sex, do you have to like tape it to your leg? Well, they also don’t understand.

De’Vannon: Now they all start off as a little bitty wormy, looking, squiggly things, all of them.

Shawn: And then they grow flat

De’Vannon: long row.

That fucking big, like [00:38:00] the picture made out of like a spongy sort of cellular material. And so it can expand greatly. So you’re not always walking around with it, down to your knees and you know, and so that’s why we get surprised by it. Sometimes it’s nerves have really big dicks too. They just do. Yes.

You used to find it and find you on any given day. You find me hanging around the apple store, honey. There’s nothing wrong with my iPhone, but you know, those little skinny jeans and shit like that, they’ve got some huge monster.

Shawn: It’s like the spinny nerdy boys. They’re the songs.

De’Vannon: I’m telling you secrets out. Everyone had to the apple store and get you some Dick it, cause that’s

Shawn: like regular.

De’Vannon: You’ve got to do. I know of people who have run from monster dicks before you have to listen to your body and your body’s telling you, it doesn’t want to get destroyed by that. But I feel sorry for a lot of guys like that, [00:39:00] because it’s difficult for them to come.

Cause they can’t really go balls deep and most people they don’t get, they don’t get enough sufficient friction because you barely have a third of the Dick in there and this is why you can’t go. And so there’s a lot of masturbating. It’s a lot of blow jobbing, you know, and stuff like that. No, but there’s a lot to work with, you know, three or four people can all get both of their hands on this, that long, like fucking go for

Shawn: it.

It’s like a magic bean stock

De’Vannon: that just, yeah, you can climb then motherfucker and find, find Jack NGO. So

when it comes to sex and things like that you know, from listening to yours, like the guys were talking about how they like to do a good job while they’re having sex and everything like that. And I feel like the focus should be more on [00:40:00] a conjugal. Experience, you know, like the, the whoever’s there are all experienced to get, to get together.

You know, I say this to try to release guys from the pressure of feeling like they have to perform a certain way or, you know, and everything like that, you know, like I don’t, I don’t think we should look at it like, okay, this is my project here. I need to get this person off. You know, how about, why don’t we find a way to get off together, you know?

And you both help each other. You understand what I’m saying? But what do you think about that?

Shawn: Here’s the thing. Okay. Maybe it’s an age thing, but I don’t think it is because I’ve hooked up with the older guys, like 39, 40, 43, and they don’t give a fuck about my orgasm. They just only care about theirs.

And they’re like, okay. Night-night and then they turn over and I’m like I [00:41:00] am nowhere even finished here. So, so I think it’s hard because like, I get the performance anxiety that guys get. But at the same time, if you took a moment and focused on the woman, because let’s be real I’m I think only like less than 20% of women will orgasm from penetration.

Like we need other stuff. So take a break, relax. And just like play with her puss. I don’t know, like do something like women really love foreplay. And I think sometimes men get so excited to fuck like actually do the penetration that like, they, they skip over that really fast. And I think in my opinion, foreplay is better than the actual penetration.

Like it’s, I think it’s more [00:42:00] fun. I think it feels better. And I’m more likely to come from that. So I think if men focus more on the feeling and the feelings that they’re giving to the woman, rather than performance, I think maybe that would help, but I don’t really feel bad for them.

De’Vannon: Well, well, I mean, if that’s the experiences that you had, and I can, I can, I can imagine, I could imagine, but you know, one day, Sean, you’re going to find a guy who, who treats you exactly the way you want to be treated. I just, so what kind of foreplay do you like? What do you like have done to you? Let’s tell the world right now.

Shawn: Oh God. Okay. I love a good make-out [00:43:00] sesh. Like I just really love making out, but also if you’re not good at kissing, the sex is probably going to be bad. Do you agree?

De’Vannon: I don’t let things be bad. Like if I’m going to get, get, get down to visit with somebody, it will be good. And it’s just decided, so they suck at kissing.

Now I’m going to teach them how.

Shawn: Like, how do you do that? How do you teach somebody to

De’Vannon: make them stop and be like, you’re doing it wrong? Let me show you. And even though, cause I’m usually the submissive in sexual encounters and, and I’ve had married men who haven’t been married to women by men, gay men, all kinds of men. Like they, you know, they, once they get turned on and everything like that, it doesn’t matter how they’re getting touched that you just go out there just black, that they are.

It’s really just that simple. [00:44:00] So right. It’s the men are not super complicated. Actually.

I

Shawn: know there are. So you guys are so simple, but the women just can’t believe that they’re so simple. So we’re like, okay, we have let’s figure out what’s really going on here, but they’re really just. Simple

De’Vannon: this thing, if you’re going to agree to kiss them and you don’t like it, then you stop and you show them how to do it.

Right. There’s no sense in going through an experience that you don’t like or something you can do about it. Pause it. Let’s have some conversation won’t take long, but I don’t necessarily equate bag kissing the bad Dick because. People have all kinds of emotional connotations with kissing. Some people feel like that’s a super close thing to do was sticking a Dick.

And somebody is not in any emotional attachment at all. Doesn’t make any fucking, but you know, whatever you believe in your head is the way that you’re going to go out there and approach society. [00:45:00] So maybe they’re not kissing well because they haven’t decided to give you their heart yet. And maybe they just want a kiss because you want it to kiss, but they really aren’t fully committed to it because they’re not in love with you.

And I think they need to be in love with you to do the kiss. It’s all kinds of shit that goes through people’s head over kissing. And so that’s

Shawn: just too much.

De’Vannon: It is too much going on. I’m like we in this bed, we fucking, we might as well kiss and do every damn thing else and be done.

Shawn: Yeah, I, so yeah, I love a good make-out session. Like starting out like slow. Cute. And then it gets like nasty, you know, then I love like boob and nipple stuff, so maybe I should get my nipples pierced, but I’m scared. I’m not trying to like, have my Teton is out in front of like the whole tattoo shop and then they have to flick your nipples.

I’m like, [00:46:00] I don’t want this random man in a store flicking my nipples

De’Vannon: that turned into the sex session.

Shawn: Yeah. But I feel like that’s more like porn. I don’t know if that would happen in real life for you. Maybe you’re like I would make it happen. Yeah, so some boob stuff, whatever I’ve really. I have started to love a good fingering because I had someone this is really hot and I think people should do this more and he was older.

So I think that’s why he did it. He was, he started fingering me and then he was like, hold on one second. And he turned to his nightstand and just brought out some lube squirted on his hand, squirted it on me and just like went to town. It felt so good. And guys, my age would literally never do that.

They’re scared of lube. And I was like, do you not [00:47:00] understand how hot that is hot? So like the straight boys in their twenties get some lube and put it in your nightstand. Yeah, love that love when they go down on, but also like if you’re not good at that, then I’d rather you just finger. You know, cause sometimes for me, like if it’s not, if I don’t feel enough, like pressure or something, it literally feels like rain.

I’m like, okay, let’s just get back up here.

De’Vannon: Well, you know, you got to talk to people. Sex is all about communication. Even if it is a random hookup or a one time thing, you know, you got to tell us how to do you the right way, because you’re going to be different than the previous girl he was with versus the next girl.

So I don’t hold that against them. I understand this, this boy needs some instruction and some direction channel the inner Cougar and you bitch [00:48:00] and teach the men that shit. That is how it ended up itself. When a woman tells a man what to do.

Shawn: Yeah, I think, I think it’s coming with age. It’s coming with age when I was younger, I would never say anything because I was like scared to hurt the boys feelings.

And I still kind of feel that way, especially because I do date and hook up with guys older than me, like 10 plus years. So it’s a weird little like power dynamic that I feel like I shouldn’t say anything or like build up the courage to say something, but I’m getting there. I’m getting there. I just need a little more time

De’Vannon: at a time.

At least, you know, that are wrecks. You need to be headed in. This is how people out there, you know, we get to a point where we’re happy with everything that we do, especially when it comes to an interaction with somebody else. If there’s something that we don’t like, change it and tell them[00:49:00] now ended if they’re unwilling to adjust.

But you’d be surprised how open and receptive people would be to to, to talking through it. And guys has got to get past the being intimidated if she wants to toy in the room.

Shawn: Oh yeah. I don’t understand that at

De’Vannon: all. But the men are being taught by men who were also fractured and broken and head all the time, or they’re just meeting taught by porn and not by anything else.

And then, so they’re approaching you with a whole head full of bullshit, but they don’t know. It’s both, they’re just thinking, okay, I’m supposed to do this as the guy in the porn did it that way. You know, the education is so he needs to be reeducated and that’s where you come in one day once you’re ready to do that and take him to that house.

Shawn: Yeah, I think I’ll, I’ll think I’ll get there. I think I will get there. [00:50:00]

De’Vannon: But what, what was that trick that you had for forgiving him? Had a cotton mouth cure. Apparently if you smoked some weed or whatever the fuck and you have dry mouth you, how, how, how, how can we fix that?

Shawn: Okay. My newest favorite thing to do is honey head.

You can do this on any genitalia that you want. It works for Dick. I don’t eat pussy, but I learned this from someone who is bisexual. So she’s done it to both. So for men, you get some honey, well, Yeah. I mean, I don’t travel with honey. I just assume people have it in their kitchen, but yeah, so you just literally put a little like dollop on their deck or just like a little, little [00:51:00] bit on a clit, depending on who you’re working with and you just, you know, suck it, how you normally would or like how you normally would, but the honey stimulate your salivary glands.

So you make a lot of spit. So if you were smoking, if you have cotton mouth, if you’re nervous and you don’t have that much spit, this is like a really great tip. And it’s like, Whoever you’re hooking up with probably has honey in their kitchen anyway. And you know, when I do this to guys, I’ve only done it to two so far, but when I bring it up, they’re like so excited.

They’re like, what, what do you need honey for? Okay, I’ll go get it. And then they like run to the kitchen ass naked. And I’ve gotten like really, really great reviews from this. I think [00:52:00] the guy thinks it’s like really hot because it’s new. Like, I don’t think a lot of people have like dropped some honey on their deck before they got head.

And so, yeah, I kind of spice it up plus like 99.9% of guys like sloppy head. And the honey will help you achieve that because you get a lot more spit.

De’Vannon: Wonderful like the honey too. We haven’t done that in a while. The breakout, the honey, honey,

Shawn: you should, it’s so fun. And it tastes good.

De’Vannon: We, I liked the Hershey strawberry syrup, which is used in much the same way, but we basically basically juggle it all over him.

Shawn: I think the, so if you’re gonna go down on a girl and you want to use the honey, I think you as [00:53:00] honey, like don’t use like Hershey’s chocolate syrup. Because, you know, vaginas are very sensitive and at least honey’s like natural, right? A little, it might still, it might still fuck up your pH. I don’t know, but I can guarantee you that chocolate drizzle will definitely do that.

So you might as well go with the honey. If you are a vagina owner.

De’Vannon: So, so you said pH the pH balance. So, so you have you find that the pH balance of a vagina that you stick like a litmus strip?

Shawn: I don’t know. I don’t know what the pH balance is of vagina, but I will tell you when your pH in there gets the runoff and mine is very sensitive for some reason. Like if there’s a new toy, a new finger, a new Dick, the condom, like anything, anything foreign she’s like what the [00:54:00] actual fuck is this. And like, I get bacterial vaginosis or yeast infection and that fucking socks.

So yeah, no, you don’t stick a strip up your Cooter. But you know, women, if your. The smell down there changes. If it smells fishy, it’s probably a bacterial vaginosis or some form of an STI. And then, you know, if you pull down your pants and you have some cottage cheese up in there, probably a yeasty.

So girls know, girls know, we don’t know our actual pH balance, unless like everyone’s sticking strips up their vagina to find that out. But I do not do that. I just know when something’s off

De’Vannon: the girl who taught you about the honey, you said that you have never eaten a vagina. Did she [00:55:00] eat yours? No. So you never done any girl on

Shawn: girl?

No, I’m so scared of vagina. I really love man.

Right now. Yes, right now I’m strictly dickly. I feel like, I feel like, I don’t know, as people age, they’re kind of like, oh, sure. I’ll try. But right now I haven’t gotten to that point. She, the lady that I’m talking about, she was a guest on my show and she’s a kink educator and I asked her what her favorite sex tip was, and that was it.

And I was like, okay, gotta try that shit. And it has rave reviews.

De’Vannon: Hallelujah. On Tuesday afternoon. Favorite positions.

Shawn: Okay. I’m going to have to be basic and say that I love doggy. I just think it’s hot. And that’s like kind [00:56:00] of where they get in the deepest. But I also love I don’t know if this has a name, so I’m just going to describe it.

Okay. I’m, I’m laying on the bed. The guy is standing up and my ass is kind of hanging off the bed and then my legs are on their shoulders. Just I have a name.

De’Vannon: Yeah. I think that might be like the hang man or something like that. Cause the cosmopolitan. They used to have know they still have it on their app.

They used to do the six position of the day and they cover every possible fucking thing. And they all have a name, but I know the ass off the side of the bed.

Shawn: And I liked that one too, because it feels good. Those were my feet. Honestly, I have a bitch. I’m a good bitch for missionary. I’m a pillow princess.

And it’s, it also [00:57:00] feels good. And like, you can make out while you’re doing it, like dog, you can’t do that.

De’Vannon: Sure. You can. Like if he reaches up and you turn your head, you can still kiss while you’re doing doggy.

Shawn: Like I guess it just like that’s so much

De’Vannon: work. Oh yeah. It’s that? It’s definitely that you got to put in that work.

Honey. What about public sex? Have you done that before?

Shawn: Okay. I’ve had sex in a car once and I was literally so scared, so scared. And I, I don’t know why, dude, I’ve never even gone to speeding ticket. So I was like, if I have sex with you and we got in trouble, I’m going to be fucking pissed. So I start like hanging up every single item of clothing that I could find and just like sticking it in every inch of the windows, because I was so scared.

And honestly, I fucking hated it. I do [00:58:00] not like car sex.

De’Vannon: Whoops. At least you tried, you were

Shawn: open-minded I tried, but what public sex have you done? I don’t, I’m too scared of getting caught. Like I don’t find that hot I’m like scared.

De’Vannon: Well, the first time I was in like a truck, this guy I hooked up with a couple of times and I was.

And living in Arizona picked me up. I don’t know. I was like 19 Joe, just starting on my sexual journey and being a total whore. I’m trying to feel the void that my dad left by not being present enough in my life. And so I went about the business of finding that in the arms of other men. And I knew it when I was doing it.

I was like, I want you to be embraced by someone more masculine than me

Shawn: and I still do that. It’s like sad

De’Vannon: that you’ll heal. One day. He’ll heal one day, baby.

Shawn: I’ve been on a sex cleanse. I haven’t had sex for three months. So. That’s [00:59:00] pretty good. The last time I did a sex ban, I lasted five weeks. So there’s progress.

Anyway, continue,

De’Vannon: go, and go and get going. And so now he picked me up in his pickup truck and he intentionally wanted to park in the front of some people’s houses to make it more erotic. And so we were in this neighborhood and then he laid me on my back. And so we did it missionary and stuff like that.

And that was totally fine. Another time. I think I was walking around Montrose and Houston and the gay part of Houston high on probably at least ecstasy and maybe he’ll cane or G in DHB. And GBL is like a liquid substance. It’s a very European drug and you take it like a cap full, and that makes you feel very euphoric.

You don’t have like the groggy come down and hang over. You don’t feel like a zombie when you’re done. The high is only gonna last for a little bit. Anyway, it’s not like a, an all night, several day high, but it’s a very. [01:00:00] Party drugs, you take it and you go to raves and bands. You can take it and fuck you just kind of feel really, really fucking good, you know, kinda like ecstasy kicking in, but didn’t take as long.

And don’t though when some guy was like walking around as they do, you’ll find a lot of trade and a lot of just hot men walking around the gay parts of different cities. And so I was like, I want you to fuck me in this bitch right here. And so he did

get you bitch.

Shawn: Have you done that more than once?

De’Vannon: Not that I can recall

pretty much like every day, especially back when I was a drug dealer and you know, and all of that, all of the high, like all the time. And so.

And then other than that, I was always trying to seduce guys to fuck me in different jacuzzis and pools and stuff [01:01:00] like that. But you as well, you probably wouldn’t be surprised, but some men are, men are very adventurous, but some of them are not, some of them don’t want to have public sex, but most guys would want to try some shit like that.

So it wasn’t just, you know, what was meant for me, my experiences were not as voyeuristic as I would’ve liked them to be. And so, but you know, now I now have enough sense to know about like a nudist colony is new, you know, there’s places where you can go do public sex legally, and that there is getting in trouble.

And then what you want to do back then? I didn’t know all that.

Shawn: I am not down for getting in trouble. Not not about that. Life

De’Vannon: is not for everyone. Orange is not the new black, you know, I’ve been dressed in the orange jumpsuits and shit before it’s hideous, fascia. That’s when you’re in jail.

And so I take [01:02:00] it, no drugs, sex for you.

Shawn: No

De’Vannon: drug

Shawn: druggies. No. Oh no. I, I haven’t even really had like really drunk sex either. Most of my sex is sober.

De’Vannon: That’s a good way to connect and stuff like that. So that way

Shawn: I heard, I heard having sex while high is good.

De’Vannon: It, it can be, but you have to be careful that you don’t let yourself have, like, I wouldn’t do the first time experienced that way because then your bar is going to be set way too high. And then I wouldn’t do that. Often, because then you’re going to read, right?

Like your synapses in your brain and the way your sex drive is. And then you’ll, you can become, you will become codependent on it if you

Shawn: will need it to have sex.

De’Vannon: Right. So like when I go into like these different, like say [01:03:00] crystal meth, anonymous groups and meetings and stuff like that, you know, invariably you would hear somebody talking about how they cannot have sober sex anymore because they’ve had so much sex on meth or in the same thing, applies to any kind of drug that intensifies your sexual nature.

You know, some things are not meant to be that intense and that shit is so fucking intense. Like, but you can’t like, you know, do it every fucking day. You know, if it’s a couple of times a year in, God bless you. If you have enough self-control to only do addictive drugs a couple of times a week, To answer your question.

Yeah, it can be, but it’s also a double edged sword. Some people said somebody, some people is going to experiment with the shit. It is. So what I’m saying is don’t go down that road, tell yourself, put it in your subconscious that you are going to control it and not let it control. You started to get out of hand stopped because these people are like desperately trying to find ways to connect with people because they’ve had so much drug [01:04:00] sex that they cannot, they can’t figure out how to have sex without being high.

Shawn: They won’t get hard

De’Vannon: that, yeah. Wow. So it can fuck up your shit dudes, if you take it to the, to the extreme. You know, with S with anything you don’t want to overeat, you don’t want to be, you don’t want to go to church too much if at all you want to just, and I say that because churches just generally suck these days, you know, I don’t have anything to get to Jesus.

Clearly you have him in the title of my show, but churches don’t have to, you know, there’s a whole, another thing. They ain’t got nothing to do with Jesus half the time. And so, yeah. Okay. So then our last thing we’re going to talk about, and of course it’s still going to be Dick’s cause it’s both of our favorite subjects.

You know, we love the stuff on a Dick together with you one day. Technically it would still be two guys strictly,

Shawn: oh my God. Should we ask my friend? I was

De’Vannon: thinking about him. [01:05:00] So I really love,

you know, just, you know,

you see in that stage of he in Italy

Shawn: now he’s in Florida. Oh,

De’Vannon: Oh, that’s fine, honey. Fly American airlines. I have, I’m always flying somewhere. And so yeah, I’m gonna have to bring the boyfriend. Are he made my work in, are kind of starting to open things up. We’ve actually made the decision to start doing that.

We haven’t made the jump yet because we’re waiting for the right time, the right person, the right, whatever the case. So, so yeah. Let’s make it happen and oh, so the last to see being circumcised or uncircumcised, I

Shawn: don’t care. Do you care?

De’Vannon: I don’t [01:06:00] give two shits one fuck or good. God damn. Does it work?

Okay. And work

Shawn: with.

I have experienced both. And I feel like when someone is uncircumcised and they’re hard, you don’t even notice really. So it’s like, why does everybody makes such a big deal? Now, if you are uncircumcised and you don’t know how to clean your deck, that is honestly, even if you are circumcised, if you don’t know how to clean your Dick, like, I am not about that.

But if you take care of yourself and you have good hygiene, like who gives a fuck? And I actually was thinking about if I were to have a son who would I circumcise him or not? I think it’s so I think it’s mean, I don’t know. Are you circumcised? [01:07:00] Yeah, I’m cut. I’m like, it’s kind of like, it’s kind of fucked up.

And, and okay. And I was going to say that the people that are uncircumcised have more pleasure, like they’re more sensitive. So like, what is the reasoning of circumcising? That’s

what

De’Vannon: I was going to say. So this comes from the Hebrew tradition from the middle

Shawn: Jewish.

De’Vannon: So, you know, this is something that God gave to Moses to separate them from the people around them, just like the other hundreds of hundreds of traditions that they had

Shawn: pierced his ear or something.

They had to chop his little Wiener skin off.

De’Vannon: Hey, you know, everything goes down to the D at the end of the day. So and so, but so the reason it happened to me is because I was raised [01:08:00] in a Pentecostal. You know, family church and everything and who, and they pull so many things that they do from the Bible, but they don’t separate the fact that it’s no longer relevant our culture.

It is not our culture. And they try to fit middle Eastern cultures into ours, which should not be being done. And so strictly speaking, if you’re not Jewish and you don’t clean or not clean to the old traditions, you know, in the old Testament that there is no, there’s no health reason to get circumcised.

It’s strictly a spiritual thing from years and years and years ago from another land from another time. And if I had a sign I would leave for the day, just the way God made it apart from, you know, snipping, the, you know, whatever the hell you have to when they’re born. But Other than that, that he could decide if you want to get your shit chopped up later on and that’s you, but you know, I’m not doing that, you know, to him because there isn’t, there’s no [01:09:00] spiritual reason to do it because the Lord says he wants our hearts to be circumcised, not our bodies.

You know, these already disavowed the need for physical circumcision. So why, you know, I don’t do shit just because my family did it and the people before them. No bitch. Why does this make sense to me? So right. There is no logical reason.

Shawn: There’s a lot of, a lot of European men. Like they don’t, they don’t circumcise much over.

De’Vannon: I mean, what the fuck for, you know, it doesn’t, there’s still the same amount of calm that’s going to come out of it. It’s going to poke you the same way. I feel sorry. For some of them, some of them sometimes can get like this really sensitive, mid sex because of the, it is so sensitive, but it never stops them from finishing their fine.

They go fuck right through the pain. But but no, but then see in the gay world, there is

Shawn: like [01:10:00] a stigma in the gay world for people that are uncircumcised.

De’Vannon: No, the stigma is for people who are yeah. Yeah. People who are uncircumcised. Cause even when you’re on like the gate hookup apps, they ask you if you’re cut or uncut, some people will not talk to you if you are uncut.

Some people are just so turned off by. You know, porn has taught us that every Dick has to look this way. And so if somebody has an uncut fetish, okay, well then now there you go. There’s uncut dildos. You can get now and everything like that. If you want your, you know, your hooded, you know, you’re there to help you where you’re going, but it’s, it’s a shame, you know, all dicks matter,

all bigs matter. Damn it. And but unfortunately, you know, and that’s a huge thing that I’ve had to work out, [01:11:00] but, you know you know, in, in my relationship, because you know, my boyfriend is from Trinidad and Tobago. That’s where his people, you know, they don’t cut up nothing down there either. You know, it’s all on natural route.

It is what. You know, he questioned a lot. He really, how I felt about his Dick being uncut. And I had to really, really convince him that I literally do not care because he’s come up against so many people being turned off and put off by him because he has an uncut Dick in, in the gay community, but gave each day gay boys, bitches, you know, about a lot of things.

Oh, your hair is fucking your nails, not right. We not fucking cared about you down the street. We know, you know, all kinds of bullshit,

which is a reflection of the insecurity that prevails in our community. You know, we, if somebody has a problem with [01:12:00] you, the problem is really within them is not, they ain’t nothing wrong with you.

Shawn: Yeah. I mean, I know like women who are like grossed out by. Uncircumcised Dick. And I’m like, girl went to tarred.

You don’t even know the difference. Like it really doesn’t like, you really can’t see a difference.

De’Vannon: I didn’t know. That was a thing in the straight world. Yeah.

Shawn: Yeah. It definitely is. And I think it’s just because like, we’re so used to seeing circumcised, Dick that it’s like, when you see uncircumcised, you’re like, is something wrong with it?

But once you’re, once you realize that it’s the literally the exact same thing, just one has a flap of skin and one doesn’t, it really doesn’t matter. And like, don’t you want your partner to have the most pleasure that they can possibly have? You know, I don’t know. I don’t, I don’t know. [01:13:00] So, if any of you uncircumcised guys want to hit me up, let me know.

De’Vannon: I know that’s right. Her contact information will be in the show notes and shit. And then you’re right. 90% of the time, once they get hard, they look just like an uncut Dick. That’s hard because that skin pools back to the base of it. And if you put a heart uncut bit right next to a hard cut big, you couldn’t tell now some of them out of four skin, and even once they’re hard, it is a hood there, but at the end of the day, it still works the same.

It’s just ones like like it’s like, they’re both red wines. One’s a Cabernet. One’s a, malbac,

one’s a little, had a little bit more character than the other, but they both don’t get you fucked up. You drink enough of it in, so. [01:14:00] Okay. So with that, my dear we’ve had our delicious titillating conversation today. Oh,

Shawn: that was good titillating. Cause Teddy’s you do that on purpose? We

De’Vannon: taught that right. We gave it to the air guns on that one lady.

So I’ll let you have the last word until the world. Oh God, my audience. Any fucking thing you would like to say about anything?

Shawn: Oh my God. Guys, just keep fucking, but be safe about it. Be honest, communicate your needs. Talk about your STI history and now the best sex of your life. That’s all. And here are your heal, your childhoods Rama

De’Vannon: having great sex and heal your childhood trauma.

That’s all we need to know. Hey, that’s good enough for me. Thank you so [01:15:00] much.

Thank you all so much for taking time to listen to the sex drugs and Jesus podcast. It really means everything to me. Look, if you love the show, you can find more information and resources at sex, drugs, and jesus.com or wherever you listen to your podcast. Feel free to reach out to me directly at DeVannon@SexDrugsAndJesus.com and on Twitter and Facebook as well.

My name is De’Vannon and it’s been wonderful being your host today and just remember that everything is going to be all right.

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